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    Bills Vaterra Twin Hammers "Gecko"

    Thought I'd give this a build thread even though its rtr. Just unboxed my twin hammers produced by Horizon Hobbies.
    Awesome rig, absolute belter for the money £280 rtr with spektrum radio gear and lipo.

    First impressions are I think this may become rig number 1 for use.




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    SWEET I was looking at getting one of these!!!! but thought I would wait to see how it holds up and what aftermarket parts come out!
    So how dose it preform?

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    Spares are already available mate, though it seems strong enough. This is obviously number 1 a rock racer, but I'm more into the scaling scene so will adapt to suite my needs.

    Out the box, the servo is sllloooowwwwww. Switching on for the first time and setting off its fast, then change gear and faster lol. To crawl this requires very little throttle or its off like banshee. Drag brake........well there isn't any. Its got safety built into the forward reverse to stop you stripping out the gear box and that delay is a good few blips of the throttle before it goes again.

    So for me this needs, a savox servo, a crawler motor and esc.

    Those points arn't really negatives but are not what I require form it. Its totally flat underside and massive articulation means its gonna creep and slide over most things I recon.

    All in for £280 with spektrum radio gear, lipo, and 2 speed its bonkers value for money.

    Quite simply don't wait buy it nowwwwwwwwwwwww

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    Looks good, UKBill; thanks for sharing this build. I am sure a lot of folks will be interested in this new truck! Keep the updates coming!




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    Well sweet!!!! I will start saving!!!!
    PS when you take it apart are the tranny gears /diff gears metal or plastic? I could not find this info in my searches...... and how do you think an Timbuk 2 Novak system would do in there (18.5t?)

    So you think we could get some body off pics?

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    Bills Vaterra Twin Hammers

    Man those front A arms look beefy. Solid plastic, not the "trus" design that all the other makers do. I like this. Would you mind making a bit of a review,? And also I'm am curiouse about the tranny gears also. Lol. Are the diffs locked? Or open. And on a scale of 1-10 (1-crap/10-amazing) what would you rate the quality of the rig?


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    Re: Bills Vaterra Twin Hammers

    Quote Originally Posted by UKBill View Post
    Thought I'd give this a build thread even though its rtr. Just unboxed my twin hammers produced by Horizon Hobbies.
    Awesome rig, absolute belter for the money £280 rtr with spektrum radio gear and lipo.

    First impressions are I think this may become rig number 1 for use.




    And for a sense of scale
    Hi UKBILL
    Are replacement parts readily available? I assume you are across the pond no?

    I was alsowondering about the gearboxes and steel gears and such.

    Looks similar to Losi cars in the way it is finished. Great looking truck- can't wait for more info.
    Thanks for sharing.
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    Right guys got quite review for you, even though only had it 3 hours lol.

    Firstly out of 10 it gets an 8 from me, would like it to be 10 but you'll read below why not.

    1, Gears are plastic from what I've seen but havnt been inside the tranni yet.

    2, The diffs, rear is locked, front open. No grease in rear diff at all and plastic gears.

    3, having already fired mine up I've already burnt out the gear shift servo, the end points ARE NOT SET, pretty rubbish that really.

    4, the esc has a crawler mode I've since found out but it's not in the manual you gave to go on there site to find it. In stock form its fast, then faster. It is almost impossible to crawl as its all or nothing but guess crawler mode solves that. It cocks a wheel up on acceleration too.

    5, the stock steering servo is awful, über slow! I ave fitted a savox in its place, obviously much better now.

    6, I ploughed straight ahead and fitted a Novak rooster with cr tuned 35t motor and its now a dream, 1st gear crawls ace, drag works great and it no longer cocks a wheel up under torque.

    7, obviously not water proof now but tbh I rarely get my cars submerged its not my bag.

    So to recap

    1, Strip and grease
    2, set end points for both servo's
    3, program the esc for crawler mode or swap out
    4, consider a slower motor than the 15t stock can





    New servo, esc and motor fitted



    All back together again


    Hope this helps. We've got a scaler meet tomorrow and 3 of us have these arrive today so expect some videos of the triple hammers.

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    We had a scaler meet today as planned and 3 of us had bought these. As I've said I put in a novak rooster esc and a 35t motor, the other two today although doing something similar ran stock and rock crawling boy you could see the difference.

    The front diff definitely needs locking unless your planning racing this as that was pretty much its only let down today, 1 front wheel spinning up rather than the other being forced to grip. I might put a little weight in the wheels too as its a slow coach. Tyres, articulation, drag and cog are superb.

    A quick video from today. Mines car 2 in the first half then car 1 in the second you'll see the difference I talk of by the way it walks the obstacles.

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    Right taking advice on locking the front diff I jammed it full of blu-tak. Horrible job but done.

    Access to the diff (with cage off) is 4 screws so took seconds to have it out. A nice note is what looks like a plastic front hinge pin brace is actually metal with a plastic cover.



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    Since the moment I first saw these, I thought Matt Black........






    Might yet do a two tone black, matt and gloss.


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    Crawler mode!?!? I did not know of this. Got mine a few days ago and first day micro servo stopped responding... So sounds like the weak link ta this awesome rig. I was thinkin a crawler motor too. Jumpy lil thing. I already grabbed a front locker. Lookin ta crawl more than race. But I love the thing and like yourself I felt black and burnt orange accents stock looks a little cheesy and stickers poorly stuck.

    But if ya could get back ta me how ta do the crawler mode that'd be geat!


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    Thanks for posting this thread. I saw one on a site a few days ago and it got me wondering about it. It looks great, and I'm hoping to see it/one in action soon.


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    There is a crawler mode, apparently you can find how to program if you look at the manual on line. A friend he tried it and yes you have a bit more crawl on the trigger but the drag break is rubbish and thats no good.

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    Thanks for the detailed shots! Subscribed! Looks like an Exo with solid back axle...hmmmmmmm, been working on one of them. Sounds like it might be worth it to wait for a roller sale and get some goodies put inside of it!


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    No worries mate. Had to try my RC4WD King shocks. 110mm in the rear work perfectly and mirror the ride height perfectly. I'm going for 80mm's in the front, a tad too long but that'll compress and they only travel about 8 or 9mm so should work.

    A few choice decals and an RC4WD winch guide fitted.






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    Looks really good in matte black, UKBill! Keep the updates coming!




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    Re: Bills Vaterra Twin Hammers

    Only recently built an exo now I'm wanting one of these too. Looks fantastic in the matt black. Sounds like they need a almost ready to run version minus the electronics....


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    Sweet i like it but too expensive here in the states


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    Never been a fan of these types of rigs because they always seem like a compromise between two rigs. A buggy and a rock cralwer and that means they only do everything half as well as they should. But it does look cool and everything you have done so far is very nice! Excited to see how this turns out and holds up for ya.

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    OK SO GOT MY 80MM KING SHOCKS FOR THE FRONT. AS EXPECTED THEY ARE TOO LONG BUT THERE IS ANOTHER EQUAL MOUNTING POINT 10MM FURTHER INTO THE CAB SO USED THAT POINT INSTEAD AND ITS PLENTY GOOD.
    WHAT I HADN'T BANKED ON WAS THE DOWN RIGHT STRENGTH OF THE STOCK SPRINGS, WAY STRONGER THAN THE CUSHION SOFT KINGS. HMMMM REALLY WANTED THESE ON RIGHT NOW SO HAD A LOOK THROUGH MT BITS AND BOBS, AND THOUGH A LITTLE LARGE DIAMETER WISE MY T3 SPRINGS FIT, THOUGH WILL FIND A BETTER FIT SPRING SET.
    SO THOSE FITTED THE FRONT FEELS IDENTICAL TO THE BACK SO RESULT (FOR NOW).

    NEXT WAS FINISH THE WINCH INSTALL WHICH IS DONE TOO. I HUNG MY GROUND ANCHOR FROM A DOOR FRAME AND IT JUST PULLED THE CAR ALL THE WAY UP 6FT NO PROBLEM, GUESS THE FACT THE CAR ONLY WEIGHS ABOUT 2 KILO'S HELPS.







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    Looks awesome! Ya answered my suspicion that the front skid is a good little hole for a winch.


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    Sigh, why did I have to click on this thread. I already liked the look of it and etc etc. BUT as soon as I saw it sitting next to the truck I was like CRAP its the right scale size and I like all my rigs being scale with each other...might as well put this on my list


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    Cheers bud, seriously these do not disappoint, my favourite rig now. Hoping to duck out of work tomorrow to try it out, just need to finish weighting the wheels.


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    I do indeed my friend!! Hence the reason its getting the special treatment ;-)


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    Got my waterproof electronics in Today M'tronics esc (for all you foreign types its a UK brand and handles just like a Novak Rooster). Hitec 5646WP servo and bagged the winch controller.

    Got an extra body set which in complete contrast painted white, not staying on yet, gonna decal them to death. What else oh yeh had a little play with wheels/tyres.






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    Looks great, Now that it's waterproof would like to see some muddy pics


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    Me and Luca my youngest got some rock time earlier today so went for a bash. Got some gopro footage too but processing that later.





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    Looks good! Do ya think the front locker was worth doin?


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    110% worth doing, an open diff is useless when crawling, great for racing but that's all.

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    Alright sweet. I just recently got one fer $10


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    Firstly I ordered from HobbyKing their 96mm lipo its 4200mah at 65-130c. Costs $33.

    My two arrived today, and exact fit crossways, chachinga.




    Then been playing with panels again, had some poison spyder decals left over from a jeep I did so popped em on.





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    It just keeps getting better and better Bill! Think i like the white panels a lot better than the darker colour they were before. Just gives the rig a bit more contrast. awesome work mate she's looking good!

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    Cheers mate, are you getting one?????

    Well sadly this about finished lol, will be hop ups and mods to come but for now its about there me thinks.

    Opted to use the stock rims again though slightly weighted as the others just felt too heavy for this and would probably wreck the bearings or the trani. I did paint the beads white though and fitted some wraith locking hex's.


    The stig got allowed back in the drivers seat.


    Some more decals and wired in the lipo properly




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    I hope there is no copy right on your white rig because I plan to do the same....
    What is your run time with your 4200 mah.....right now I don t know if I ll stay 2S or 3S....just a question of run time, I don t need speed because I have other cars for that...
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    How much is 280 Canadian cause I really want one of these!


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    Great looking Twin Hammers. I just got mine last Friday, so I'm going to enjoy it for a bit before I start looking at mods. The flat black looks pretty awesome, but may be a bit of a pain to see in low light conditions (if you run it in those conditions anyway.)


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    Hey guys been a while.......WORK! Anyway thanks for the comments! Run time n the 4200 is well longer life than I drove it for 3hrs lol so that'll do. Shocks have stuck to the 80mm fronts but found some stiffer springs and its great now.
    Have gone back to black permanently looks very toy like in the flesh. I've also now cut in some light buckets with lights to go in them imminent.
    I've Los fitted some Dick Cepec rims on with larger rc4wd tyres. Awesome. Almost there now and mostly just prepping for the nats really.






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    Re: Bills Vaterra Twin Hammers

    Your making it really hard to not get one of these. It looks awesome mate. Definitely prefer the black too. Looking forward to seeing it lit up and ready for a night run


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    Very nice. I like how you made it "yours" Nice job.


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    Cheers Guys well its finished 100% finished tada

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    Looks great. If you don't mind me asking where did you get the light kit? I like the scale look of them, and the fit perfectly in the stock locations.


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    Much better with the lights. Night run!


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    Very nice. Lights look great.

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    That's come up looking awesome Bill! Your really making me want to get one of these now! lol


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    I really like these and your's is a great example Bill!
    The only thing I cant get used to is the spare tire.
    From your dealings with it would the cage be hard to modify to eliminate it? By looking
    at the pics it would be pretty straight forward.


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    Cheers guys!

    The light buckets are fastrax. It's a set that has 2x14mm and 2x18mm buckets, so you need a couple. The 18's won't fit in the front though. Then it was a simple 6 way 5mm led set.

    Spare wheel IMHO suites it, in the flesh it looks right. Like you say though very easy to modify. It only snags on the steepest of climbs tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKBill View Post
    OK SO GOT MY 80MM KING SHOCKS FOR THE FRONT. AS EXPECTED THEY ARE TOO LONG




    How do you like the kings 80mm. Do they have enough travel?


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